Diesel in light duty pick ups

[man o jeep]

Since diesels seem to be the wave of the future for chrysler it would be nice if they offered a small diesel in the wrangler.  The low end torque they put out would be perfect for mudding and rock crawling.

[diesel game]

Diesel is the wave of the future for all vehicles (unless someone figures out a good electric car).  Biodiesel is easier to make than ethanol and doesn't degrade performance.  Better mileage and its a crop we can grow, win win for everyone.

[gman]

I don't know about growing a crop of BD.  Also, most diesel engines are only rated for %20 bio, you can go 85% ethanol which can be made with corn and sawgrass (maybe).  While I agree that we need to use less oil from the mid east, I also think it'll be a combination of E85 and BD.

Having said all that, I would love to see a small diesel in the smaller pick ups.

[man o jeep]

I don't know about growing a crop of BD.  Also, most diesel engines are only rated for %20 bio, you can go 85% ethanol which can be made with corn and sawgrass (maybe).  While I agree that we need to use less oil from the mid east, I also think it'll be a combination of E85 and BD.

Having said all that, I would love to see a small diesel in the smaller pick ups.

Most diesels are only warranted for 20% bio, but many people run on 100% biodiesel with no problems.  And yes, the extra mileage we get out of diesel engines will prove to be a great help.  These days diesels are as clean or cleaner than gas so there's no good reason to not make that switch.

[hemiram]

I don't know about growing a crop of BD.  Also, most diesel engines are only rated for %20 bio, you can go 85% ethanol which can be made with corn and sawgrass (maybe).  While I agree that we need to use less oil from the mid east, I also think it'll be a combination of E85 and BD.

Having said all that, I would love to see a small diesel in the smaller pick ups.

Most diesels are only warranted for 20% bio, but many people run on 100% biodiesel with no problems.  And yes, the extra mileage we get out of diesel engines will prove to be a great help.  These days diesels are as clean or cleaner than gas so there's no good reason to not make that switch.

As it sits only like 20% of people would be willing to buy a diesel car/truck and those people are only willing to fork over an extra 1500 $$ to get it.  Yeah diesels are as clean as gassers are these days, but they have 5k in emissions crap that saps mileage to make them clean.

[dodger098]

Where do you get those numbers hemi?  I know a lot of people that don't care what fuel they put in as long as they don't have a smelly loud vehicle.  You are right about the cost though, I don't know too many people that'll want to pay an extra 5k on a vehicle if they know there's little chance of making that up in fuel savings.

[raman noodles]

Where do you get those numbers hemi?  I know a lot of people that don't care what fuel they put in as long as they don't have a smelly loud vehicle.  You are right about the cost though, I don't know too many people that'll want to pay an extra 5k on a vehicle if they know there's little chance of making that up in fuel savings.

Most people I meet with the engine on complain about the noise it makes to no end.  20% seems a bit high to me actually.

[gman]

You're probably right.  Though the new diesel engines are a lot quieter, it'll take some time for that notion to hit the public.  Give it a couple years and we'll see diesel engines in a lot of cars.

[diesel game]

Ain't that the truth.  I've driven the new 6.7L with the auto, it was a bit faster on the buttdyno and it's as quiet as any hemi I've ever been in.  I don't know what they do to make it so dang quiet, but I'll bet some of that eats up mileage, the 6.7s are only getting mid teens for mileage, 3-4 mpg worse than the old 5.9.  I'll take my loud 5.9 and better mileage thank you very much.

[gman]

Emissions saps most of the mileage that the 6.7 would have gotten.  Imagine if the new V6/V8 didn't have to deal with all the emissions standards they'd probably get over 30 mpg.  Seems like a give and take with it, at 30 mpg we would pollute less because we use less fuel, but add all the emissions crap and you pay more and get less mpg.

[squat]

Those same emissions features are turning a lot peoples predetermined notions about diesel being a dirty fuel around.  Because of that we'll start to see diesels in a lot more vehicles on the road, it's a longshot win, but it's a win

[diesel game]

I think diesel in general is kind of going down hill.  Everything that people liked about diesel, good mileage and reliability are going out the window.  The emissions crap tacked on just makes the engine that much worse on mileage as well as making the engine run a lot hotter than normal.  I don't think the new 6.7 will be as reliable or last as long as the 5.9 simple because of this.

[95concord]

I think diesel in general is kind of going down hill.  Everything that people liked about diesel, good mileage and reliability are going out the window.  The emissions crap tacked on just makes the engine that much worse on mileage as well as making the engine run a lot hotter than normal.  I don't think the new 6.7 will be as reliable or last as long as the 5.9 simple because of this.

They'll still last longer than traditional gasser, and the only way to make them environmentally friendly is to add the emissions stuff.  There's really no point in getting better mileage if you're putting out 2x as much pollutants.  We need to think of something more than ourselves sometimes.

[squat]

You could look at that two ways.  If we got better mileage then we don't burn as much fuel to go the same number of miles.  Less pollutants in the air and we get to save on mpg, I think that's pretty good too.

[06Hemiman]

There's a few guys out by me that have removed their catalytic converters entirely.  They don't drive on paved roads that often so the chance of being caught are small, even if they get pulled over the officer would have to look under the vehicle to find it.  Imagine where we'd be if we didn't have to do all the emissions stuff, we probably would have 40 mpg trucks and put out less emissions total.