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Author Topic: The tundra has some issues  (Read 745 times)
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« on: October 22, 2007 »

from auto news: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071022/ANA03/710220350/1018

LOS ANGELES — Toyota's Tundra pickup was hit with a double whammy last week.

Angry consumers are peppering the Internet with complaints that the torque converter in the 2007 Tundra's six-speed transmission has problems disengaging during gearshifts — a problem that Toyota acknowledges.

Meanwhile, the Tundra 4x4 model took a broadside from Consumer Reports magazine, which rated it "below average" in projected reliability.

Toyota thought it had put the redesigned Tundra's teething problems in the rearview mirror. First there was a batch of defective camshafts. Then it received a four-star rating in NHTSA crash tests, one star less than its Detroit rivals.

The latest quality snarl involves a vibration coming from the transmission when changing gears under gentle acceleration or deceleration.

Toyota Motor Sales officials have nicknamed the problem "the rumble strip" because the slippage causes vibration similar to the sensation of driving over the wake-up strips at the side of highways.

The rumbling usually lasts several seconds. But the problem sometimes worsens to the point that some owners can't shift into certain gears.

The problem has been reported only in six-speed transmissions, which are linked to the popular 5.7-liter V-8 engine. Since the 2007 Tundra's February launch, the 5.7-liter engine has been installed in 70 percent of about 135,000 Tundras sold. That means the problem could affect nearly 100,000 vehicles.

Tundra travails
Since its February launch, Toyota’s full-sized pickup has taken some hits related to quality.

    * Bad batch of camshafts
    * Crash rating below rivals’
    * Consumer Reports snub
    * Faulty torque converters




Bad torque converter
Before Toyota's technical service department traced the problem to the torque converter, some Toyota dealers replaced entire transmissions, said Toyota spokesman John Hanson. If the vibration occurs now, likely only the torque converter will be replaced.

Toyota still is trying to trace what exactly is wrong with the torque converter.

Internal field reports have yet to show anyone stranded by the problem, Hanson said. But Tundra owners in several Internet chat rooms say their transmissions quit shifting properly, forcing them to limp the truck to a dealership. The rumble-strip effect often occurs within the first 1,000 miles of ownership.

Isolated instances
Pickup owners are especially particular about vehicle reliability, says Mike Levine, editor of the consumer Internet site pickuptruck.com.

Since Toyota staked its reputation on reliability, any problem makes it tougher for Toyota to persuade domestic loyalists to switch allegiances, Levine said.

Reports of the problem have been sporadic. Large dealers in northern California, Texas and Ohio said they had no reported owner complaints about Tundra transmissions. An executive for a group of Midwestern dealerships, speaking anonymously, said his mechanics had seen one or two instances.

Craig Whetter, executive vice president of Wilson Automotive Group, says the group's six Toyota stores in California and Arizona have sold 2,236 Tundras this year but have not seen a single bad torque converter.

"These guys haven't turned a bolt on one, let alone replaced one," Whetter said.

Of bigger concern to Toyota is the number of vehicles affected.

The faulty camshaft problem was limited to several hundred early-build vehicles, but owners of Tundras built as recently as September have complained of defective transmissions.

The torque converter for the six-speed transmission used with the 5.7-liter V-8 is built at an Aisin AW plant in Durham, N.C. Aisin officials declined to comment, referring interview requests to Toyota.
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2007 »

It's hard to tell if the Tundra is going to last.  I know they had good sales numbers just like the titan did at first but I don't know.  They have problems with their tailgates too:

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/114436-tundra-tailate-failures-i-am-club/

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2007 »

Tailgate buckles when loading an ATV.  F-ing retarded !!  I guess we don't have to worry about a heavy duty tundra any time soon, it'll bankrupt Toyota with all the problems the heavy duty guys will have with it.
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2007 »

Jeebus, I know every new model has some issues but these are not small potatoes kinds of things here.  Bad trannys, crumpling tailgates.  Seems like a lot of the people in that thread are a bit disallusioned.  And yet some are still saying that their tundra is a perfect truck.  Idiots.  If dodge had all of these no brainer problems we wouldn't be here saying Chrysler is awesome because they're repairing it for free, we'd be setting up a date to storm HQ with pitchforks.  Of course Toyota will repair your crumpled tin can tail gate for free under warranty, it's after the warranty that you'll be paying a buttload for a new tail gate or transmission.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2007 »

That's too bad that toyota opted to make a beer can tail gate so that it would be lighter so the spring loaded slower down thing could be less expensive.  You'd think that these kinds of decisions are no nonsense but I guess you never know what yer gonna get with a brand new vehicle in a segment that the maker has never been in.
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2007 »

Man there's a lot of complaints in that thread. 

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I too just got off the phone with customer service and was told that Toyota considers the tailgate a door and warns customers about overloading it in the user manual

Wow i just bought a $30,000 pillow transporter. I can't wait for my brothers response when I say, "OOhh Nooo don't sit on my tailgate it might split" and "OOhh don't place anything on the dash it will leave a scratch and expose gray plastic" and "don't lean up against the truck the paint is really soft" and "OOhh my truck just sounds like diesel until it warms up".

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Don't forget my favorite, "OHH don't touch the doors/bedside/anything metal or it might dent."


Those are my favorite quotes.  I guess a few guys that actually use the truck like a truck were duped into buying one. 
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2007 »

Wow, I actually thought long and hard about getting one of those but I just couldn't justify the cost.  Now I'm glad that I am frugle with my money, I can't afford to be having problems like that with my truck and I sure can't afford to trade in a brand new truck for one that actually does what a truck is supposed to do.
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2007 »

Buying the first model year of anything is often a crapshoot.  The 09 ram will have some of these weird problems too.  Being from toyota though people expect better quality and since it's the first year this vehicle is available that hits em twice as hard.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2007 »

Tundra right now is a waste of sheet metal.  Give it a couple years and they'll be where they need to be, but they'll still be a few steps behind the big 3.
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2007 »

Looks like I made a good decision.  The Tundra is off my list of trucks for the next couple years until they make one that doesn't have these no brainer issues.
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2007 »

I hope the new Ram doesn't have these kinds of dumbass issues.  I could see that storage compartment in the side of the bed falling out and on the the ground, hopefully they'll keep these kinds of things in mind...
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2007 »

These foreign guys still are applying all of their can expertise to the truck segment which is totally different.  There are plenty of cars made today that have thinner sheet metal to make them lighter and get better mileage, but I've never seen that on a truck.  It seems like these guys are getting burned by just about every possible thing that can go wrong as they move to the truck market.  Give it some time, but by then the big 3 will be that much further with their trucks...
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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2007 »

They have pretty good commercials though.  That truck looks beefy and manly enough.  I guess it's just looks though...
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2007 »

And now chrysler has the marketing genius behind those commercials.  Things are looking up Cool
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2007 »

Marketing don't do squat if the product isn't good.  The tundra sales are showing that.  You have good initial numbers and then they taper off as more and more people have stupid problems.
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