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Link: http://wcbstv.com/sports/mitchell.report.list.2.610409.html The following players were connected to steroids, either use or possession, in the report: * Lenny Dykstra * David Segui * Larry Bigbie * Brian Roberts * Jack Cust * Tim Laker * Josias Manzanillo * Todd Hundley * Mark Carreon * Hal Morris * Matt Franco * Rondell White * Andy Pettitte * Roger Clemens * Chuck Knoblauch * Jason Grimsley * Gregg Zaun * David Justice * F.P. Santangelo * Glenallen Hill * Mo Vaughn * Denny Neagle * Ron Villone * Ryan Franklin * Chris Donnels * Todd Williams * Phil Hiatt * Todd Pratt * Kevin Young * Mike Lansing * Cody McKay * Kent Mercker * Adam Piatt * Miguel Tejada * Jason Christiansen * Mike Stanton * Stephen Randolph * Jerry Hairston * Paul Lo Duca * Adam Riggs * Bart Miadich * Fernando Vina * Kevin Brown * Eric Gagne * Mike Bell * Matt Herges * Gary Bennett * Jim Parque * Brendan Donnelly * Chad Allen * Jeff Williams * Exavier "Nook" Logan * Howie Clark * Paxton Crawford * Ken Caminiti * Rafael Palmeiro * Luis Perez * Derrick Turnbow * Ricky Bones * Ricky Stone The following players were cited under "Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball." * Rick Ankiel * David Bell * Paul Byrd * Jose Canseco * Jay Gibbons * Troy Glaus * Jason Grimsley * Jose Guillen * Darren Holmes * Gary Matthews Jr. * John Rocker * Scott Schoeneweis * Ismael Valdez * Matt Williams * Steve Woodard The following players were linked through BALCO: * Benito Santiago * Gary Sheffield * Randy Velarde * Jason Giambi * Jeremy Giambi * Bobby Estalella * Barry Bonds * Marvin Benard
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2007 » |
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I figured Bonds would be on there, but I didn't think about Clemens. Man a lot of these guys are tainted now. Some of them are hilarious though, Knoblauch took some but I guess they didn't help him field.
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2007 » |
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I wonder if this is a sort of witch hunt be Selig. We all know that Selig hates bonds, but he can't take action against bonds alone without the players union bitching. So if he has this report drafted he can not only take action against bonds but many other players that have tainted the game. All those records that bonds has need to get wiped off the books imo, so this is a good thing.
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2007 » |
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Selig seems to care for the game. Everyone one of those guys should get a big * instead of any records. They all made a lot of $$ playing baseball, that should be good enough.
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2007 » |
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I hope they all get banned. There's not excuse for cheating like that. I don't care if they're at a disadvantage because other guys are doing it, they make their own decision.
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2007 » |
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Drugs don't make you more accurate on the mound or in the batters box. These guys cheated, but they did it in a sport where it makes the least impact. An * next to their records would be fine by me.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2007 » |
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Drugs don't make you more accurate on the mound or in the batters box. These guys cheated, but they did it in a sport where it makes the least impact. An * next to their records would be fine by me.
You don't think having more of your fly balls go into the stands than the warning track and being able to add a few mph to your pitches is a big deal???
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2007 » |
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Drugs don't make you more accurate on the mound or in the batters box. These guys cheated, but they did it in a sport where it makes the least impact. An * next to their records would be fine by me.
You don't think having more of your fly balls go into the stands than the warning track and being able to add a few mph to your pitches is a big deal??? x2, when you're using something that makes more of your pop ups go into the stands either fair or foul you're cheating and putting the other players at a disadvantage.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2007 » |
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So they hit an extra 4-5 HRs a year because the ball would otherwise have been hit to the warning track, it's not that big a difference.
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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2008 » |
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It's more than 4-5 HRs a year. Look at BB in 99 and then in 2001, he looks like he ate himself. His HRs also went way up because of the extra muscle mass. If you don't think steroids helped him a lot then yer nuts.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2008 » |
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It's more than 4-5 HRs a year. Look at BB in 99 and then in 2001, he looks like he ate himself. His HRs also went way up because of the extra muscle mass. If you don't think steroids helped him a lot then yer nuts.
I'd actually give a lot more credit to his elbow guard thingy than roids. I've seen a history of that thing, it became what it is in 01. He doesn't have to worry about getting hit so he can crowd the plate, it locks his arm when fully extended, and it's weight keeps his elbow down for a more correct stance. I agree that the guy should have a giant * next to his name, but none of this actually helped him hit the ball. He still did that on his own, it just helped the ball go a bit further.
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2008 » |
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So do you think that the white sox that threw the series back in the 30s should be allowed to have their stats in the record books with an * on them?
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2008 » |
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I think they're stats are still recorded, they're just banned from the hall of fame. But it's a moot point since none of them are all time leaders in anything.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2008 » |
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You're right, but BB, mcguire, sosa, clemens, etc. all those guys bump someone down the listin the records - that's not right. BB shouldn't (and wouldn't) be the HR leader for mlb.
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2008 » |
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Didn't a lot of these guys go infront of congress and say they didn't use steroids? They could be seeing some jail time.
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